When Healing Gets Messy, Real, and Transformational

This episode explores the kind of spiritual awakening that doesn’t come through peace or perfection, but through collapse, grief, and deep inner reckoning. Kathleen Flanagan and Birgitta Visser share raw, lived experiences of healing after abuse, loss, and trauma, revealing what happens when survival mode can no longer hold.

Through honest conversation, they discuss nervous system healing, forgiveness, sacred plant medicine, energetic alignment, and the return to inner safety and self-trust. This is a grounded, human look at awakening as an embodied process, one that asks us to feel, release, and integrate rather than bypass our pain.

This episode is for anyone who has done everything “right” yet still feels disconnected inside, and for those who sense their breakdown was actually the beginning of coming home to themselves.

Chapters

• 6:44 Experiences with Sacred Geometry and Energy
• 9:34 The Power of Ayahuasca and Healing
• 15:57 Connection with the Universe and Galactic Beings
• 25:48 Manifestation and Healing through Light Language
• 33:18 The Power of Forgiveness and Emotional Healing
• 39:50 Balancing Divine Feminine and Masculine

Transcript

Kathleen Flanagan (00:02)
Hello everyone and welcome to the journey of an awakening spirit. is Kathleen Flanagan and I'm your host. And today we have Brigetta Weiser is with us and she is a soul empowerment coach, divine channel and light language healer. Delivering messages from the many light beings to the aid of humanity in the hope that people will awaken to what life is all about.

Brigetta taps into the timeless wisdom of the ancients, drawing from a wellspring of inner knowledge amassed over a lifetime. Though tested by her own trials, she has chosen to rise above, emerging as a beacon of light. Brigetta now channels this hard-won wisdom to uplift and inspire others. Her profound insight reminds us of the strength we each hold within us, even in our most difficult moments.

Like the ancients, Brigetta has discovered that true power comes not by avoiding our struggles, but by meeting them with courage. Brigetta's soul is as free as the wind. This adventurous Dutch spirit has voyaged across the globe, calling many places home. Her nomadic blood has led her down unconventional paths, gathering skills and experiences. From runways to bar tops,

This chameleon has modeled mixed cocktails and much more. Brigetta follows her intuition, allowing it to guide her through life. Whether crafting natural soaps, designing jewelry, or leading workshops, she nourishes creativity. Though she currently still holds a corporate job, she's an inspiration, reminding us to seek our purpose, challenge our comfort zones, and unravel ourselves to live far more authentically. Wherever the

The compassion points next. Brigetta's bags are packed with an open mind and courage to thrive. She is simply here to offer her words as food for thought in unlocking our own potential and becoming authentically ourselves while journeying back to the unfolding of the beautiful lotus of the light of who we are. Brigetta encourages us to walk this path with authenticity, unlocking the truth of who we are meant to be.

Her gentle guidance is a candle in the darkness, illuminating the way home to ourselves. Life is like the sound of music. You've got to dance before the music stops and live a little before life is over. Welcome, Brigetta.

Birgitta Visser (02:34)
Hey Kathleen, thank you so much for having me again.

Kathleen Flanagan (02:37)
you're so welcome. I just love listening to that. And I can attest to this, ladies and gentlemen, every time I speak, and it's not often, but when we do, she's usually in another country doing something else. She is definitely the chameleon and she is a Jacqueline of all trades.

Birgitta Visser (02:50)
I guess I have moved.

Yes!

Kathleen Flanagan (02:58)
And I get that and I've been that but I'm a little bit more settled in my older age but that's okay because I know what it's like to have an adventurous life because my attitude is we're here to experience life and experiencing it on the couch drinking beer and doing drugs is not experiencing life.

Birgitta Visser (03:17)
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

Kathleen Flanagan (03:20)
So

I know that I'm doing this, the end of this year, I wanted to do a lot of wins and I know you've had a lot of wins happening this year and I'd like for you to just introduce yourself a little bit to the audience of where you've come, where you've been and what's been happening since the last time you were on the show.

Birgitta Visser (03:40)
Well, I'm still in my body, right? Still here. Well, it was over a year ago. So it was June, right? June, 2024. So at that time, I, yeah, oh no, I was still in that relationship at the time. I was talking to you whilst I was in this abusive narcissistic relationship. And of course I kicked him out after three weeks and I had to put on my big go pants.

Remember, as you know, he bled me dry. He was very abusive towards me. He destroyed my home. And of course, he had these 10 distinct voices telling him how to live his life. mental health issues are no joke, but to leave them untreated, that's a whole different ballgame. ⁓ But it is his journey and not mine, but I had to go through these experiences.

shut the door for good so that I could move on with my life and I didn't want to live with the what-ifs so that's why I got this really heightened experience from spirit you know after 15 years not seeing this guy they're like oh my god oh my god but I managed it and you know as you know I I did call the cops on

So, but that story is now over, it's finished. And I did start a healing journey after that. So about an hour from where I lived in Oroa La Costa, I think it was called in El Campello and there is a mountain range, but I did psilocybin and San Pedro cactus. And that to me, you know, it's sacred plant medicine.

and I really wanted to heal. ⁓ that was my intent that I really wanted to heal and I wanted to open myself up to the divine more. Now, I didn't have any expectations and San Pedro cactus is disgusting. It's rancid, it's, but it's very, very bitter, but it really just grounds you, makes you really calm inside. And it's cactus juice basically. And

And then we further out the mountain and they gave me like a piece of chocolate, right? Mixed with those like magic mushrooms. But I can't remember how much it was. I think it was three or four milligrams. So I said, okay, fine. I'll take the whole thing. And I did. But to me, once you get past these ridiculous cartoon characters, because that's what it was, I was like, oh my God, all these gummy bears and these fifties ladies, you know, and these, these dali-esque.

Kathleen Flanagan (06:19)
Hahaha

Birgitta Visser (06:28)
figures and the landscape, I was like, please just let me rise above that. And so I finally did and I sat and I walked away a little bit from the trip sitters and I sat down in nature and I could just see everything dance, everything on my skin, the mountains, nature, know, the ants, the spiders and everything is sacred geometry.

And at that moment, I could see it. I could see it dancing everywhere. And I was blown away because in our normal state, we don't see that. So it's really that we are sacred geometrical beings ⁓ consisting of energy, because we have an energy field, which, and when we read that energy, it creates frequency. Yeah. And the frequency is like, well, what we vibe out, we

we reel back in, as I always say. And that is really a truth. And even when I walked down the mountain, ⁓ I did light language with the Lerans and it was just so phenomenal. ⁓ I really enjoyed it. But for me, that was a cut off point. It was like, you know what, I need to go down the mountain now. I need to go back home. And... ⁓

Yeah, and I came down. I shouldn't have driven home, but I did drive home. I did drive home, and I made it home. And it was really phenomenal. I really enjoyed that. And what I also did several weeks after, ayahuasca. And I had not done my research on ayahuasca the same when I did combo in Florida years ago. And I was like, OK.

So I did meditation and the shaman said to me,

when you drink this medicine, yeah, listen to it. Listen to it. Sit with it and listen to it. So I put in the intent and I said, well, I want to heal everything from this life and past lives. Okay? So, well, you get what you ask for, right? And so I drank the medicine and I was like lying down, like, no, nothing's happening. And then boom, after 20 minutes, it was like,

my God, what is happening to me? And I could not sit still. And I saw Ganesh, right? And he was laughing and he was like egging me on. And I was like, ⁓ gosh. And they saw colors and everything, but I was throwing up so much. I don't even know where it came from. It was so primal and I had to go run up and down the toilet, but they really had to help me because I could hardly walk. And so everywhere they had a bucket.

And then they were playing the guitar, the piano, and that made you even puke more. It's the purging, right? And ⁓ yes, I the sacred geometry, but I was so busy puking my guts out because it was so primal that I was like, know, guys, just leave me be. And ⁓ even the shaman was a little bit worried. And I said to him, I said, no.

I asked for this, so please let me finish this. Yeah. He's like, okay. So they just, you know, they, they watched me and I saw the Lemurians. saw the dolphins, you know, towards the end. And somebody said to me afterwards, did you have a bad experience? I said, no, I got exactly what I asked for. And I said, this was really important to me. And.

So everyone was sitting outside afterwards and I couldn't really eat. And I went to sleep for a couple of hours and then I got up at like seven and I drove back home. ⁓ And it was just beautiful. It's really strange. was just like, you know what? Life is beautiful regardless of everything that we go through because life is all about

experiencing. It's an experiment where we experience, you know, various experiences, challenges, or what you like. But I was just filled with gratitude and I was so calm. I was so at ease. ⁓ And yeah, I can't explain it to you. It really helped peel back several layers. And I think that's really important. It doesn't matter how you heal, as you know, Kathleen, I don't care what you do. For me, this worked.

And what would I do? I was going to get in. I'm not sure I would, you know, a puke fest and very, very intense. So, yeah, and then I put into the universe that I wanted to move because the house was really toxic still and I wanted to get out. ⁓ I had published, yes, at the end of the year, I might.

My book, Child of the Sun, was published. And I know you're one of the, you're in the forward, right? So thank you for that. That was really beautiful. So that came out in December. And then I had another collaboration that came out. And then next year, no, yeah, this year I was supposed to have three collaborations come out, but they're

Kathleen Flanagan (12:04)
You're welcome.

Birgitta Visser (12:21)
next year and I'm writing another book but I did move and I threw that into the universe. Now when you throw something into the universe, yeah don't control it, don't put any expectations on it and I didn't, I just let that go and I had, you know, I did ask my guys and my dad about a place called Tura in Almeria and then I'd forgotten about it and

I was supposed to move, I terminated my rent and that fell through and so I had to find something else. And this popped out out of the blue. And so I drove down two and a half hours down south and I checked it out and I said, and I took it. It was a little bit cheaper than where I was and so I took it and I moved within the space of like two weeks, packed up everything.

It was crazy. And yeah, I mean, it's very different to where I was because I've got the mountains here and 10 to 15 minutes drive I have to see. But the beauty about it is like when I walk my dog early in the morning, it was the first time that happened. I'm looking up at the sky. I'm like...

There was a formation, I swear to you, of like eight spaceships. And I don't care if people think I'm crazy, but it's true. Eight, you know, like in a formation. I'm just looking up. I'm like, no, wait, these are not planes. No, no, no. I know what planes look like. And it was just amazing. And they were going into the distance.

And that was the first time. And I just stood there for like half an hour. And since then, I've seen them sometimes on a daily basis or sometimes a week will pass and then several days in a row, I will see them. And then I started asking questions, excuse me, but can you please give me a sign? I've seen four shooting stars one morning. That's insane. That's just crazy. And I always say, thank you so much.

You know, I, I, I, and then they go, I love you guys because I do. And I think I'm the only one that sees them here because you know, there's a lot of 80 year olds around me and I'm just very tuned in and I will stand in the middle of the field, whether that's at night ⁓ or very early in the morning at 5am when I walk my dog and I would just stand there. And it's just so amazing.

because I really believe that when we look at the stars, it's like our life's trajectory is mapped in the stars. And I got that whilst I was delving into a past life where I was a little camel boy. But besides that, it's really, I love the stars. I really, really do. And people think, oh, but these are aliens. No, actually, they are our galactic brothers and sisters that have always existed.

And if we revert that, right, we say, oh, but these are aliens. No, actually we've alienated ourselves. You know, we're the aliens. And yeah, so I'm blessed because the air is better. But will I stay here? No, it's just a transition period. You know, I will move again, but for now it serves its purpose. And that's the thing.

Wherever we move to, serves its purpose until the universe nudges us again. And it's like, OK, it's time to go now. It's time to go now.

Kathleen Flanagan (16:21)
Exactly.

I have to tell you because you telling me about this and I have to tell you a story and this is it was around 2014.

Birgitta Visser (16:34)
Mm-hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (16:36)
And I went on a Thelma and Louise trip with a friend of mine, her husband of 40 some years passed away and we decided we were going to take a road trip. So we went out to Las Vegas and you know, I'm not a big fan of gambling or anything like that, but that's what she wanted to do. And then we went all over Arizona. And then on the way back, we went to New Mexico and I finally got to go to ⁓ Roswell, New Mexico. Now I've made it where I missed the

Birgitta Visser (17:02)
⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (17:05)
event, the museum. And I went there, I'm telling you, there was there was one thing and I swear to God, I thought it was real because I just went, because all of a sudden this whatever this thing was, you know, it moved and it's kind of freaked me out. And I'm sitting here and I'm in this. OK, I am in this experience of seeing the alien reading the papers, reading everything that they had about it. And I got a hit. ⁓

that I had to call somebody and this woman was like, oh my God, I've been waiting for you to call me. I'm like, do do do do do do, you know what I know? It's like, it didn't make sense, but for some reason I had to go to the crash site. Me and my friend had to go to the crash site and heal it. And I'll explain what that meant. So I called the museum and she's like, oh my God, we've been waiting for you.

Birgitta Visser (17:45)
No, no, no,

Mm-hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:03)
The phone you can barely hear so we know we were being monitored.

Birgitta Visser (18:07)
Yep.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:08)
We were being monitored, we were being listened to. And she knew it. I mean, you could tell, and she had that fear in her voice. And she said, I said, I have to go to the crash site. We need to do XYZ, which she knew all about. I mean, she really knew all about it. And she said, this is where it is. This is what you're going to do. When you see this, you keep going because everybody thinks this is where it actually is, but it's really over here. So we did exactly that. And of course,

Birgitta Visser (18:30)
Mm-hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:34)
my friend's in the car and she's seeing like all this stuff in the sky and of course I'm driving so I can't see it. I'm like, well why can't I see it too? I want to see it too. I mean it was just so funny because you know we were playing off of each other but I knew where to go. For some reason I knew where to go and she's looking at the sky and this is daylight.

So we get past to where everybody thought it was, which is private property, but everybody thought this is the crash site. And I'm like, this is so not the crash site. I mean, I could tell it wasn't the crash site and I'd never been to Roswell. So I kept going and it's in this little tiny itty bitty town. I mean, it's got to be like five people. That's how big it seemed. And I'm sitting here and...

I'm going and I'm just following where I think I should go. And I'm like, this is not it. This is not it. This is not it. And I'm sitting here resisting at this moment. For some reason I'm resisting it. And my friend says, this is it. And I was just, you you just wanted to slap her at that moment. And I don't know why I was resistant to it. I think there was something bigger than me.

with dealing with this. And so we got to where the crash site was and we knew it was real. I mean, you could feel it. And we did whatever we were supposed to do. What we were supposed to do was bury, like energetically bury the crash site and allow this part of the earth to heal and allow what happened in Roswell to finally heal.

Birgitta Visser (19:57)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (20:06)
So, know, nobody's around and Dee and I are doing our weird little woo woo magic thing that, you know, spiritual people do with energy and all that. And if people saw us, would have thought we were wacky doodle crazy. But the whole thing was is that we could feel the higher beings watching us, guiding us in how to heal it. Do you think I would be able to find this place today?

And I said, I probably couldn't, I probably wouldn't have an idea, but I don't think I would because it will never look the same. Because it's like a vortex. Like the vortex is in, even though people don't understand this or know this yet, the vortexes in Sedona are getting really gnarly. It's time for them to done. They're done being the vortex and they're sealing themselves up, but people aren't getting that. They're just wondering why it's got all these thorny bushes. And it's like, hello.

They're shutting down. There's a reason why the vortexes are shutting down. We're creating a whole new grid. And I've been part of that creation of the grid system. And I've been doing it since, I don't know, when I'm 20 some years old, they showed me what I was gonna be doing and I've done it. And I switched the light on and guess what? The light's on people. The light is on. But I think the last part in 2014, think, mean, D &I in 2017, when we had the

Birgitta Visser (21:23)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (21:34)
solar eclipse that was in Tennessee, we had driven out there with these amazing women I'd never met. We were some of the most strongest dynamic women. And if we couldn't figure out how to get along, there was no hope for the world, in my opinion, because women have to come back into their power and they need to work with other women in their power. And in the beginning, there was almost that competition, threatening crap.

And then somehow or another, it just worked. It just worked. And then we went to the Parthian and saw Athena and I'm like, my gosh, she's pregnant. I never knew that. I mean, it was just what we did. We did all this magical stuff at the Centennial Park, saw lots of things, lots of people talk to us and we're these crazy woo woo women, okay?

And we're doing all this stuff and people are just coming towards us like, what are you doing? my God, this is so cool and blah, blah, blah. know, and you're just almost like not understanding that, but I don't think it was, we weren't threatening. We were just bringing a live, a love vibration that people didn't fully understand. And so we were, so this was an anchoring point because the whole thing around where the Centennial Parkway is, there's a lot of mysticism in it.

So here we close out Roswell and then you're kind of going in a 45 degree angle to Memphis, Tennessee, Nashville, Tennessee. And we're closing or opening, cause this is almost like a new portal opening. Cause you've got Athena there, okay? There's something there and this is a very magical park. Unlike what I experienced in Roswell. But I just thought it was very interesting.

that I had done this, but it was so cool because I know I've seen ATs, I've seen them when I was 16 years old in Ohio. I look up and it's like, that's a frigging spaceship. And it was almost like I could touch it. was so close and nobody believed me. I was like, but it's there. there was a lot of sightings going on around that time throughout the United States. But I know that they're there. I know that they're coming. I know that they're already here.

Birgitta Visser (23:48)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (23:48)
We

just don't see them because they know how to protect themselves from our insanity, fearful place of, my God, it's the 1950s, they're gonna come and take us and kill us and eat us. No, they're not gonna come and kill us and eat us, people. They're going to help us in this transition because we as a nation, as a global people, we really suck with this.

Birgitta Visser (23:59)
I know!

No.

Kathleen Flanagan (24:15)
We are so into our crap and so into me versus them and us against them and I'm better than you and you're a different color skin. How are we going to love each other if we keep doing this? And they're teaching us, they're gonna teach us how to be that person.

Birgitta Visser (24:26)
Yeah, I'm way beyond that.

But ⁓

Sure.

It's just done by design, as you know. I've transcended from that a long time ago. It's one of the reasons I'm here, but I've retreated from a lot of people, because I just wanted to work on myself. And that's just been really, really important. Not only that, I I love Joe Dispenza. And I understand the art of manifestation just perfectly now. And it's powerful. Again.

When you do the manifestation, you listen to these guided meditations by Joe Dispenza. Now, whether that's for healing or, you know, manifestation, whatever you want, you let it go. Yeah. And you plant that seed and then boom, all of a sudden out of the blue. And it's it's it just, yeah, things just just happen. And that's why I'm very patient. Yes, I do. I am studying Akashi Record Healer under my

I've known her for years, Alania Starhawk. Really funny how that came about because, you know, my light language has also ⁓ progressed and developed. But I don't put a lot out on YouTube right now. But I tell you what happens in the middle of the night when I'm half asleep, you know, I speak light language. I'm like, what the heck? What is going on? ⁓

And sometimes, you know, when I do walk my dog, I mean, I will speak light language because there's nobody there anyway. So who cares, right? I'm that weirdo walking my dog. ⁓ But.

Alani, put this out on Facebook and I'm not always on there, but I'm like, I didn't see this. I didn't see this. And it's perfect because even when I did a light language healing, I do delve into people's past lives. But this is where it's, ⁓ it's step wise and it makes me understand, but it's so powerful just to see ⁓ my lives, but also, you know, I picked up on.

her past lives. And so that was really interesting to me. And a lot of people think that the Akashic records are, you know, a library, not with books, but ⁓ it's filled with your past lives. And it's ethereal. It doesn't really matter how you see it. As Dolores Cannon said, it's like, you you step into a movie reel. And that's it. For me, it's like I

And this is really amazing. I sit ⁓ in a river of light and I see these bubbles come up, but the river of light is also very healing. So what did I do when I got my dog back from the kennels when I've been traveling to the UK for work? And she came back really skinny and she was limping. And so in my meditation, I put her into the rivers of the Akasha.

And I let her heal there. And of course I feed her and I do give her ⁓ herbal supplements, right? And so, but she healed up in a few days. She was just fine. ⁓ But I love that and it just compliments the light language. So yeah, I'll be finished with that next year. So I will go on to do soul retrievals as well. And I just think it's really important because so many people are still fragmented. They're splintered, so to speak.

And it's returning to that wholesomeness of ourselves and understanding what life is all about. Because I think so many people are still stuck in that 3D, regimented 3D, and they still believe the illusion. Well, I mean, you can only educate people so much. So it's very important.

I think it's very important for the healers out there to really work on themselves and then come back out, you know, and inspire and empower other people that there is more to life than just the 3D mechanisms. And as you know, my corporate job is incredibly, incredibly demanding, more so than last year. But don't worry, I've manifested stuff, so I know things are going to happen next year. But everything happens in that.

Kathleen Flanagan (28:39)
I totally agree. Yep.

Birgitta Visser (29:00)
divine timing, right? Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (29:02)
It always does that. I'm

in a Kashuk record reader too. And in the last year, as many of you know that my father passed away in April and that I was very suicidal. And even though I knew better, there's still the body. We still have this body we have to deal with. And so there's memory in the body that had to be erased.

Birgitta Visser (29:21)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (29:28)
And I had some very powerful healings happen during that period of time where, and I created this money manifestation and it wasn't sticking. And well, now I know why it wasn't sticking. And I went back and fixed it. But part of it was, is that I had to release my father because they were, and it was a good thing because my actually got my mother who let me know she was okay when she wasn't. And I knew she wasn't.

came in and she literally tried to enter my body through my uterus and it was hours before I could get my body to calm down. But I had done this healing work that Spirit told me to do prior to, and I had this massive wand at my bed and she still was able to penetrate it. Because you know, I was dealing with some pretty dark forces with my parents.

And as I'm dealing with that, I mean, I couldn't even remember the Hail Mary. That's how much fear I had been in with what they were doing. And I didn't talk about that at that point, but I did talk about just, you know, that he's here and it just compounded. And all it did was it increased my resolve of, don't get me. You don't get to have me anymore. We're done.

And so I think this was a last ditch effort. I know he's not done. I know he's in a place where he can't harm me right now. And my mother's back in the place where she can't harm me because I understand a lot what goes on on the other side in the death process. And when there are people that are so still very dark that they need a lot of help and recovery because somebody actually sent me something.

Birgitta Visser (31:11)
Thanks.

Kathleen Flanagan (31:15)
and said, you know, this really deserves me. Can you help me? And they said, I've heard that if you die and you have a lot of anger that that goes with you on the other side. I said, of course it does. It does. Part of it does because you still have to resolve that part of yourself. So you go to other schools. It's not always an earth school when there are other places we go to in the galaxies, planets, whatever to learn. And then we come back down to see if we learned the lesson or not.

Birgitta Visser (31:37)
What?

Kathleen Flanagan (31:43)
And I said, and so this is about forgiveness in my opinion, this was about forgiveness. And so I've been doing a lot of forgiveness work and I mean a lot of forgiveness work, but I'm also watching the magic because it's like I'm lifting all those burdens off of me. And so I'm getting lighter and it's like life becomes magical again, but again, it was.

I'm in my process. I'm showing you guys what it's like. It doesn't matter if you're awake or not. If you're enlightened or not, you are still human and we still have to honor our body. We still have to honor that part of us because we are body, mind, spirit, emotion. And it's our emotion is.

you know, where we're gaining our experience. So control the emotions. What is it you want up here? Become that manifestor that you were talking about because everything changes when you do that. And was I aware of most of this? No. Did it suck to be me? Totally. Am I grateful I went through it? you know it because of where I am on the other side of it is so much more powerful and dynamic. And that's what's exciting.

Birgitta Visser (32:52)
more.

Kathleen Flanagan (32:59)
with everything, because I watched you go through your stuff with that crazy guy, and you're beaming. mean, there's a light in you that I've never seen before, because you were, you know, we're fighting for our lives sometimes.

Birgitta Visser (33:12)
Yeah, no, absolutely. I totally agree with you. And there's one thing that I practice too on a daily basis. And I think it's so powerful. It's gratitude, gratitude and living from the heart space. Yeah. That's where we create not so much the mind, it's the heart. Yeah. I say it's the heart because that's where, you know, if we have challenges, my guides go there. That's where you find the heart of the matter.

Kathleen Flanagan (33:42)
It's true. I know. And I talked to Sal this morning. said, I think we should have a conversation about like, what do we want to see as for us next year? Because we never usually do that, right? And it's just like, all of a sudden, it's like, I want to bring you in and let's like create this like new little thing, like reinvent our relationship. And he's like, yeah, okay, that sounds good. And then we so open and responsive to it. Because, you know, sometimes people, know, your partners can be like, what?

Birgitta Visser (33:43)
Quite literally, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (34:11)
But he was open to it because it's like we are, it's almost like this event, cause this was a very challenging year cause he was physically ill. He's now, I mean, he was injured on the job. We're almost finished with the workman's comp portion. And then he got another job and he lost it. And he's like happier as he could be. And I'm happy that he's happy and I'm happy that he's not doing this job anymore. But it's like, you know, we're just like,

We're both coming together on the things that we've been wanting to do that we've been too busy or crazy or insane or life has done what life does that you can't get like this mundane stuff out of the way. And now we're doing it. it's like, cause I said, you have to stop long enough. You have to put your phone down and you have to decide what you want. You can't keep just whatever the wind throws at you. And he, and he came back and said, you know, you were right.

Birgitta Visser (35:00)
Mm-mm.

Kathleen Flanagan (35:04)
When I stopped moving and just sat with myself and not did anything, I start getting an idea of what I wanted. And he's been taken off ever since. Excuse me. I mean, I've seen more movement and this is a Taurus, so he doesn't move very well. He's a very slow mover and change. And this man is just like taking off like in gangbusters. I mean, he's like you, he's got this light on his face. He's got color in his face.

Birgitta Visser (35:14)
Really?

Kathleen Flanagan (35:33)
He's happy. I mean, it's just like, what a cool thing. So yeah, it turned out to be it's ending good, but it didn't start out good. And the two of us, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I told him to get out of my life during the year because of my grief and what he's going through. And I couldn't deal with his pain and he couldn't deal with me. And we just learned because as couples, it's usually one or the other, but you're never both in it at the same time. And we had to learn how to navigate it together.

And because we learned how to navigate it together now, it's like, well, let's really be a couple next year in what we want on a positive side. And to me, that is so huge because how many relationships are suffering right now because they're too afraid to talk about it. They're too afraid to really share what's in their heart. I I told them, said, ⁓ I feel like a failure because I couldn't help them. And of course, spirits like you're anything but that, but it didn't matter. I still felt it.

Birgitta Visser (36:16)
god.

Kathleen Flanagan (36:31)
He had to hear it because all of a sudden he started realizing I'm not this, I don't know, Wonder Woman or something. Because all of a sudden it's like he started like observing how I'm operating. It's like you're having a rough moment, aren't you? And I was like, you mean you actually can see that? Because I told him what it was like when I was a failure because he put the correlation together.

Birgitta Visser (36:44)
⁓ huh.

Kathleen Flanagan (36:56)
And I think that's so important for anybody. If you're in any kind of conflict with anyone, you've really got to open your heart. Don't blame them, because it's not them, it's you. This is how you're responding to whatever they're doing. This is about you. And it's, I'm feeling this, I'm doing this. I didn't say it's your fault, Sal, that I'm a mess, I'm a failure. He had nothing to do with it. This is my insecurity. And I think when we take that kind of responsibility,

Birgitta Visser (37:09)
Yes, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (37:23)
we become more tolerant of each other as a people, as a couple, as a mom and dad, you know, with the kids, you teach your kids differently, you teach them boundaries. And I think this is so critical of where we are. And I think people are lost because we don't really teach people how to have those kinds of communication skills.

Birgitta Visser (37:42)
No. No.

But that's again, you know, all these people absorbed in their phones and laptops, you name it, everything tech, you know, the technology that's done by design. Yeah. Whereas in the 1980s, as I've always said, life was different. People would just knock on your door. You could play with the kids. People lived from their hearts because they weren't so self-absorbed. Yeah. And

It's rather people live a very mind centered life rather than a heart centered life. And we need to return to that. And I know many people talk about divine feminine and divine masculine and, we need to be more, you know, the divine feminine, but that just needs to be a balance. That's all. It's still the action and the doing, but with the nurturing of the spirit. Yeah, it goes hand in hand.

Kathleen Flanagan (38:38)
It does. And people, I mean, I don't know what people are really referring to when they say the divine feminine. I know what the divine feminine means. And that means we go back to women working with women and being there for each other. And it takes a village to raise the kids. And you go back to the nurturing that women are supposed to be, not the fierce Xena warriors that you think.

Birgitta Visser (38:58)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:03)
is divine feminine. No, we are fierce. Don't get me wrong. We are fierce and you will not mess with us and our families. I promise you that we will kill you for that if you harm our children. But we're the foundation of the family. And the men are supposed to be there, the hunter, the gatherers, bring in the food and not in a negative way. But if you look at nature, we're no different than what's in nature.

Birgitta Visser (39:19)
Yes.

Yeah, true. wait, Kathleen, I need to plug my battery in. Thank God this is not, know. You can cut this out.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:38)
Okay.

Birgitta Visser (40:08)
Okay, one.

That's better.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:28)
We're both so prepared

today. Thank God we're not. This isn't live, right? I can cut all that out so that'll be good.

Birgitta Visser (40:40)
Yeah, that's fine.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:43)
So anyways, I just was so glad that we had this opportunity to come together and chat. So how can people get ahold of you and what are you up to and where can they get your books and all of that good stuff?

Birgitta Visser (40:52)
Well, yes.

Well, I still have the same website, powersoulhealing.com. You know, I'm not the biggest social media buff right now. I know it's a necessary evil as I call it, but I can't always be asked to get on there. And yeah, as I said, my three collaboration books should come out next year. And one is, two of them talk about the spaceships and our galactic brothers and sisters.

And then I'm writing a solo book, which was originally supposed to be about the angels and our guides, but it's turned into, it's really turned into something else ⁓ about not just a shift in consciousness, but ⁓ how we manifest. And I work with my guide and it's spelled in like an algorithm, but her name is ⁓ Alaelle. And so she's like a

hybrid of an angel and a different being, very, very, very, very tall. And so she talks a lot about sacred geometry.

energy and yeah, so it's very, very different. It's turning out to be very, very different, but I'm taking it a day at a time. You're going to laugh at this. So when I was driving, I was driving from back from the beach from Oaxaca back to Tura. I kid you not, there's a bloody tortoise in the road. had to, oh God, I slowed down and I carefully, you know, I mean, rode over it, so to speak. And it was really storytelling me, breathe here, you need to slow down.

to slow down.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:45)
Yeah. Oh, I get that. I mean, they broke my hand when they said I wasn't going broke the bones, long gated broke break on this. I had already slowed down so much, but it wasn't enough. They wanted me to stop moving because I said, well, what do want me to do? I should be dead. If you want me to slow down anymore, I might as well just be dead. And they had me break my hand. And it was the best thing because that was when, because I was hitting like a hairpin turn.

Birgitta Visser (42:49)
⁓

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:15)
and I needed to be really slow to see what was coming. Otherwise I would have missed it. And I would have gone on a different trajectory than where I was.

Birgitta Visser (43:20)
Yeah.

Yeah, it makes sense. had this, you know, I had carpal tunnel in both my hands and then I had pinched nerves. So this year, I mean, I did get, you know, I quite very quietly. mean, I just got the steroid injections and I didn't need it for this time. Cause guess what I did? I was trying to clean the fans and I stood on a chair and I fell and this pinched nerve hit the corner of a table.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:34)
Mmm.

Birgitta Visser (43:53)
And it was painful, but guess what? Several weeks later, pain free was the spirit of saying, see, I mean, we can help you too. It's fine. You know, I'm fine now.

Yeah. So as I was saying, yes. So I can't even remember where I was, but we were talking about, I think, the books that were coming out next year. Yes. And so I'm writing my own solo book, so it will be published sometime next year as well. I do write articles in Guru's magazine, which is LA-based. And the next one that comes out is in December. That's going to be about why ⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (44:20)
Yes, yes.

Birgitta Visser (44:39)
New Year's resolutions don't work. Of course they don't work.

Kathleen Flanagan (44:44)
They're not designed to work.

Birgitta Visser (44:47)
You

want to change your life, you do it now. Do it now. You do not wait for the new year. You know, work on it for a month and then it's like, okay, you know, I tried it, it's not working.

Kathleen Flanagan (44:50)
That's right. That's right. Exactly.

Yep. Well, I want to thank you so much for getting up for coming on and joining me today. And I want to thank all of you, my guests and my followers for joining us. I hope you got some value out of their show today. If there's any value in this, feel free to reach out to Brigetta or myself. You can give the link to someone if they need to hear more of what's going on. And I do have my light activation guide.

that is in the show notes to start your journey of awakening. And I also want to let you know that on December 11th, I am going to be launching my second book, The Dark Night of the Soul. I'm going for a number one bestseller and I'm going to be having Brigetta's book, The Child of the Sun. I'm going to be promoting her during that period of time too, because our books are very much aligned on many levels.

So again, I will see all of you next week, Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And from my heart to yours, I hope you all have a fabulous week.